Centers

[Quazza]

he did look bigger to me, could see it even in his face. Problem is, it's real tough beefing up through weights, with a fucked shoulder. Really limits the types of exercise you can do.

Lat pall downs, raises, bench presses etc - all a no no

[migya]

Until you have the ability to sign free agents, I believe salary flexibility leading to success to be a myth. The Warriors haven't made a good free agent signing in well over a decade. We've overpaid role players and given scrubs like Barnes an opportunity to play their way into jobs in the NBA.

With Bird rights, a soft cap and ability to sign-and-trade, teams with much bigger payrolls than the Warriors--and no payroll flexibility--are able to add good players each and every year. The Warriors have gained no advantage what-so-ever by dumping contracts in recent years and will not unless a player actually wants to sign here.

The question is: how do we become desirable? My guess is by winning basketball games, and you don't win basketball games by shedding contracts and not taking risks in taking on contracts to improve your team.

I ask you this: Had the Warriors had $20 million of room under the cap this off-season, would they have landed any of the top free agents, or would they have ended up with David Lee (and his inflated contract)? My guess is we'd still have Lee. We'd still have AR--I'll concede that right off the bat--but I really doubt we'd have landed one of the off-season top FAs.

The way to get desirable is firstly to win and win for a few seasons straight. As TMC said, it's having the right people in the organisation that makes that happen. The franchise has just had an ownership change, that's big, but now positive moves need to be made and winning must be a result. Getting a proper coach is the next move, as well as GM. I wanted Avery, who did well in his short time as coach in Dallas.

As for the players, I do think Curry is ideal right now, as he is on his rookie contract, has to stay here for a couple more years at least and could be a star somewhat soon. AB likewise, I don't think he'd be as good anywhere else but here and he is not that expensive, just has to produce like he used to at least. After that, you can get rid of them all, bit by bit for players that do more in relation to winning and want to be here. Monta has to go, he is selfish to me. Lee, well I've said what I think of him. Azu was a keeper, as he become a good player here and likely would have been loyal,more than most players would. Turiaf also was a keeper and looked happy in his role, but anyway, that's over with. I feel EarlWatson could come here and want to stay, looking to contribute and be part of things getting better.

I'd love to get MGasol, though he would be hard to get now I think. He could be a keeper and actually want to stay here if things did improve.


As for would the team still have gotten Lee if they had 20 million to play with; I also think yes, that's how awful the thinking is. No star would have come here as a free agent, but trading for one using the assets the team had was the way to go, still could be using Monta and AB, but that has to be seen

[war years]

I was never comfortable in my skin with the J-Rich trade. I felt he had earned the right to be on our first good team But I did see the logic in it. We had a young, cheap talent to take J- Rich's place and we get a prospect in the position we most need. I was not familiar with Wright but I was instantly pissed to see that he was only what--- 205 lbs? It did turn out my fears were right. I like BW, and I would love to see his game work for us. But no matter how much bulking up he can do, I'm still leery of that frame.
It was the one time when good players would at least be open to coming here. At the time, I wanted to trade Harrington, my thinking at the time was that Harrington or Pietrus, for that matter, never made anyone around them better. But of course, I suoppose you could also say that about JR. I could tell by interviews with Nelly that he was cool toward JR and that he probably was going to be the one they dealt. I think Nelly just gets an idea that he doesn't like you, and it's pretty much all over.

Did anyone hear this interview with Lacob on Razor & Mr T?? I am impressed! He sounds very cool. That one picture I saw of him courtside, I thought he looked like a real dickhead, he comes off very affable.
Highlights-
-He made a point to say he'd eventually like a young coach. He has talked to Nelly in Maui for the first time.He said it was a good conversation.
He says we have 2 good players to build around, Curry and Lee. He ommitted Monta but says he's a great talent.
- He says he believed he could have vetoed the Lee trade, but chose not to.
_ He says he does like Warriors fast style of play, as well as the Suns.
- said Cohan's biggest problem was that he wasn't completely involved with the team and promises he will be.
- I thought this was funny.When asked about Cohan's big profit he said there are a lot better ways to make money than owning an NBA team, and with a lot less scrutiny.
- He said he turned down Mark Cuban's idea to go public with Broadcast. com, which he says was a mistake , since after he went public, he did sell it to Yahoo for 5 billion dollars, which he said was Yahoo's big mistake.

[Bigstrads]

he did look bigger to me, could see it even in his face. Problem is, it's real tough beefing up through weights, with a fucked shoulder. Really limits the types of exercise you can do.

Lat pall downs, raises, bench presses etc - all a no no

Cool, thanks man.

Youre right, must be tough and he couldnt have put on that much weight/muscle whilst trying to recover from that shoulder.

Cacth 22 huh, he needs to strengthen it so it doesnt get injured again.............but he cant really (atleast not perhaps at the moment) because its already been injured.

If he could just stay healthy for a full season, atleast without injuries to the shoulders (lets face it, his shoulders are actually the most obvious weak point on him, they are boney as hell) he could hopefully begin to build a good solid muscle base up there.

Mind you, weve been saying that exact same thing for the last 3 years.

[NLSISC]

I think BWright will benefit from playing behind Lee. That's one positive in trading AR and acquiring Lee: they should all know their role going in to the season.

[bada]

I think BWright will benefit from playing behind Lee. That's one positive in trading AR and acquiring Lee: they should all know their role going in to the season.

provided Nelly is not the coach

[Chum]

I think BWright will benefit from playing behind Lee. That's one positive in trading AR and acquiring Lee: they should all know their role going in to the season.

provided Nelly is not the coach

And provided we have more than just Gadzuric at center. I think Beans is going to be out with the injured groin. Lee is going to be logging minutes at Center again, and that's something that pisses me off.

[migya]

I think BWright will benefit from playing behind Lee. That's one positive in trading AR and acquiring Lee: they should all know their role going in to the season.

provided Nelly is not the coach

And provided we have more than just Gadzuric at center. I think Beans is going to be out with the injured groin. Lee is going to be logging minutes at Center again, and that's something that pisses me off.

Who can they add at Center from free agency? I don't see anyone good available so unless a trade for a good one is made things are what they are

[TMC]

I think BWright will benefit from playing behind Lee. That's one positive in trading AR and acquiring Lee: they should all know their role going in to the season.

provided Nelly is not the coach

And provided we have more than just Gadzuric at center. I think Beans is going to be out with the injured groin. Lee is going to be logging minutes at Center again, and that's something that pisses me off.

Who can they add at Center from free agency? I don't see anyone good available so unless a trade for a good one is made things are what they are

Bringing back Hunter would be the best option. Still available, cheap, will play hard all the time, still has some potential... although first we gotta get a REAL coach.

[migya]

I think BWright will benefit from playing behind Lee. That's one positive in trading AR and acquiring Lee: they should all know their role going in to the season.

provided Nelly is not the coach

And provided we have more than just Gadzuric at center. I think Beans is going to be out with the injured groin. Lee is going to be logging minutes at Center again, and that's something that pisses me off.

Who can they add at Center from free agency? I don't see anyone good available so unless a trade for a good one is made things are what they are

Bringing back Hunter would be the best option. Still available, cheap, will play hard all the time, still has some potential... although first we gotta get a REAL coach.

Is an option for one season, but I really want whoever becomes in charge of roster moves to go hard in making a trade. I went on alot about the Centers I like on the other forum and I still want one of them, trying being the first step in getting one.

As an example, I think MGasol is better than Lee. Some may disagree, but that's what I think and I think their skills also show MGasol is better. He is a very good defenderand bigger than Lee, making him a proper Center, though Lee is the PF here now he'll likely play some Center, especially if Nelson is the coach for this season.

I think the TWolves would be all for getting Lee for a package of theirs containing Love and ofcourse, I'd rather have Love than Lee. I'd go as far a mega deal giving them not only Lee but Monta as well, as he'd fit in their real good and they need a SG like him. Get back Love, CBrewer and fillers and I still think the team improves, even if by subtracting two players that don't give much more than score,and Love rebounds as good as Lee.

Just examples of moves that should be pursued by the new person or people who will be in charge of roster moves

[Quazza]

lol no way in hell we trade Lee just after signing him for 90 mill

[migya]

lol no way in hell we trade Lee just after signing him for 90 mill

I know, but for a very good big, it'd be a great move, but won't happen ofcourse

[TMC]

As an example, I think MGasol is better than Lee. Some may disagree, but that's what I think and I think their skills also show MGasol is better. He is a very good defenderand bigger than Lee, making him a proper Center, though Lee is the PF here now he'll likely play some Center, especially if Nelson is the coach for this season.

I think the TWolves would be all for getting Lee for a package of theirs containing Love and ofcourse, I'd rather have Love than Lee. I'd go as far a mega deal giving them not only Lee but Monta as well, as he'd fit in their real good and they need a SG like him. Get back Love, CBrewer and fillers and I still think the team improves, even if by subtracting two players that don't give much more than score,and Love rebounds as good as Lee.

Just examples of moves that should be pursued by the new person or people who will be in charge of roster moves

Hey, why don't we wait til Lee plays a single game for the Warriors?. I'm sure most of those opinions against him will change as soon as you watch him play.

[migya]

As an example, I think MGasol is better than Lee. Some may disagree, but that's what I think and I think their skills also show MGasol is better. He is a very good defenderand bigger than Lee, making him a proper Center, though Lee is the PF here now he'll likely play some Center, especially if Nelson is the coach for this season.

I think the TWolves would be all for getting Lee for a package of theirs containing Love and ofcourse, I'd rather have Love than Lee. I'd go as far a mega deal giving them not only Lee but Monta as well, as he'd fit in their real good and they need a SG like him. Get back Love, CBrewer and fillers and I still think the team improves, even if by subtracting two players that don't give much more than score,and Love rebounds as good as Lee.

Just examples of moves that should be pursued by the new person or people who will be in charge of roster moves

Hey, why don't we wait til Lee plays a single game for the Warriors?. I'm sure most of those opinions against him will change as soon as you watch him play.

I've seen a few full games of him and plenty of footage to know what everyone has said about his defense,as well as hard work and rebounding. He has his strengths, but is not worth the money he got and is no franchise saviour to say the least.

What gets me most is that AR had all the potential and skills and wasn't given a chance. Azu also was an integral part of the team and had turned into a good player coming out of nowhere. Turiaf himself was important to the team for what he did. So much defensive ability, energy, skill and youth gone in one hit and not enough in return

[bada]

Well, I like Dwight Howard as a Center ... the problem is he is not available much like the guys you mentioned.

The thing with Lee is that he actually WAS available. It is great to say Player X and Player Y would be great players here but if they are not available no point in debating it... the fact remains that outside of Bosh, David Lee was the best PF on the market and the warriors moved aggresively to get him. Now whether he is worth his contract is another story but Gasol is NOT going anywhere and Minny has NEVER said they want to trade Love. They wanted to trade Jefferson and that is exactly what they did.